Jennifer Lawrence at war with PETA

Mark (Irish Wig)

the difference between us eating animals and animals eating animals is that they have not bred, adapted, mass produced & exploited other animals for their food chain the way we have. In the process clearing large areas for animal grazing, affecting our climate, natural balance  and resulting in wiping out numerous species.

Animals eat to survive, we use animals for food, pleasure, fashion, research and so much more

Roger Haines - take the time to re-read your post to me and ask your self, "do I sound a bit stupid now?" , I'm having a rational debate about humans use of animals, and specifically in 'entertainment'. you have gone off on one about me being like hitler..... what are you on! there is no rationality in that, just someone trying to belittle others, and doing a bad job of it. no i don't value animals over humans, in some cases I even value humans over animals. What i really value is the consideration of a life, any life, why we take it and whether that is morally, ethically & sustainably viable.

however, niether you or Mark seem to have answered the issue of how our exploitation of animals compares to that of animals over aminals. Yes animals kill and not always for food, but never on the scale humans do and not for the benefit of war, cosemetics, fashion, industry, furnture & textiles the way we do. We mass produce, in bred 'designed' animals, in doing so we clear large areas for animal grazing which affects our world in a variety of ways, loss of habitats & species, climate change and the natural balance. our impact affects many other species as we disrupt the food chain.

animals don't have weapons either, they can't kill on the massive scale we can & do, just look at the demise of the rhino, elephant & tiger, thanks to hunting and the colonial view that we are masters of all. A true master is benevolent and cares for the less able, including all species.

Instead of trying to put me down, answer my question please...

Hey Hayley;

Not all animals hunt for survival, a good example of this would be the fox. The fox is a vicious animal and kills for fun or entertainment over survival. I'm not saying they don't eat kills but rather saying they kill more than they need. A recent case I can remember is when a young woman stopped her car due to there being a fox on the road, it wouldn't move, she got out of her car just to make sure it got away safely and it attacked her.

Animal extinction I understand, I have time for, unnecessary cruelty like strapping a firework on animal I understand. Battery chickens I also understand to a degree. However, when you try to make a baseless accusation where me eating an animal based product or someone wearing a coat of animal fur is somehow animal cruelty I die a little inside.

What really annoys me is that some people choose meat as a financial choice as they can afford a substantial piece or cut of meat over veggies. I'm not saying that is the primary or even the secondary reason why most people eat meat but those people do exist.

PETA flour bombed the Kardashians? First of all, I found that really funny. Secondly stop vying for media attention, if you tossed a flour bomb at everyone wearing one of those coats I bet your sympathy would die off really quickly.

PETA also hates GM crops, have no real reason and are backed by a political agenda. What the hell is wrong with feeding the world and enabling third world countries to grow produce with plants that have been specifically created to grow in harsh territories?

For every seemingly good cause you get behind you got crap like this damaging yourself ten times more. You stop progress and some members have very vague reasons for being part of your group. You don't understand things like organised culling or meat eating because your too busy being rigidly opposed to it and if by Gawd you had some solutions for these problems you're sure as hell not sharing them.

TLDR <--- Hey..PETA..stop it!

a dead grey squirrel

is a dead rat with a furry tail

PETA have their view

but so have the rest of us